Here's why stocks will move down - The Daily Reckoning
The Daily Reckoning by Bill Bonner
On This Day - 5 May 2010
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Baltimore, Maryland

Wednesday, 5 May 2010

The present volatility will be resolved by a decisive move to the downside.

Yesterday, the Dow moved 225 points into negative territory. Was that decisive? No. Not in itself. But it looks like the top is in. If so, stocks should be going down...down...down...

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Maybe for a year...maybe for 5 years...maybe for another 10 years...

Yes, dear reader...the stock market is now free to complete its rendezvous with destiny.

Just where, exactly, will that rendezvous take place? Who knows? About 3,000 on the Dow is our guess. But it's just a guess.

Stocks trade around 20 times earnings now...and the Dow is about 10 times the price of gold. Sometime in the future, you'll probably be able to buy Dow stocks at 5 times earnings and maybe only 1 times the price of gold.

Three thousand seems like a likely target, because that would move stock prices down into the right range from a p/e standpoint...and we can easily imagine a gold price of $3,000.

Why would stocks move down?

First, because the bear market that began in January 2000 never fully expressed itself. It was distracted, first by the big flood of stimulus during and after the micro-recession of 2001...and then by the huge flood of stimulus following the crisis of '07-'09.

Second, because the economy is in a Great Correction - a difficult time, with lagging earnings, slow growth, and high unemployment.

Paul Volcker is the only financial authority associated with the government who has any credibility left. Here's what he says:

"What we need is more saving, more industrial investment, and a stronger trade position. Our expansive and expensive program of entitlements simply must be brought under control. Our mortgage market must be rebuilt from the ground up."

Volcker is talking about a Great Correction, which he describes in the same way we do: "a long period of economic adjustment:"

"Not much of that can be done this year, or even next," Volcker said. "It is a challenge not just for this Congress and this administration, but for years ahead."

Neither Tim Geithner nor Ben Bernanke seem to understand this. But the man on the street feels it. This from Charles Delvalle, who runs the research team for our family office:

Floyd Norris points out that the Conference Board's economic survey, which dates back 4 decades, shows a curious change in future expectations. Since 1967, Americans have for the most part, remained more optimistic than pessimistic about their own futures. This was true even when their expectations for the overall economy were negative.

But that optimism disappeared during the 2007-9 downturn. A majority of folks began to expect their own financial situation would get worse - versus those expecting better personal times ahead:

"In April, the Conference Board reported this week, about one person in 10 expected his or her family's income to improve, while about one in six expected family income to go down.

...good times in recent years have produced less net optimism than in previous cycles, while bad times have brought more pessimism.

On its face, such a result would seem to indicate Americans are losing their optimism, but it may not be as simple as that. In this cycle, unlike earlier ones, many workers were forced to take pay cuts, at least on a temporary basis. So it became reasonable to expect lower income, even for some who did not expect to lose their jobs.

Still, the decline in expectations regarding their own incomes is another indication of how much this recession scared people - and that some of the fright remains."

As we keep saying, this is not a typical post-war recession. So, it is no surprise that consumers and investors aren't acting like they usually do.

This time it's different - really. This time people are beginning to doubt that old formula works. They know they can't continue to run up debt in their own accounts. And they doubt that the government can do it either.

That's why gold is moving the way it is. Only a few months ago gold and the dollar were headed in opposite directions. Now they're moving together. When investors get worried, they move into gold AND the dollar.

The next trend will be to move into gold and reject the dollar. But that trend may be far in the future. See the rest of our Las Vegas speech, below:

First, more news....

And now, more thoughts...and the conclusion of our which we explain why GDP is a lie....

*** On the police state of things...

On Saturday, we heard a speech by Judge Andrew Napolitano, no relation to the Attorney General.

"The Patriot Act, pushed through Congress and signed into law by George W. Bush, probably did more damage to the US Constitution than any other legislation in modern times. It empowers the FBI to write its own warrants - something that has always been prohibited by the Constitution.

"As a result of this law, two very diligent FBI agents went into a public library in New Jersey. They handed a warrant to the 86-year-old woman behind the desk. They wanted to know who was checking out what books. Of course, remember, this is a government-owned building, with books purchased by the government, sitting on government shelves. So, how bad could these books in a New Jersey public library be?

"And I should tell you too that the law makes it a crime to tell anyone when you've gotten one of these warrants. You're not allowed to tell the person the warrant concerns. You're not allowed to tell your spouse. You can't even say anything when you're asked the question under oath, in court.

"Well, these two agents go to the library and hand their warrant to the librarian, an 86-year-old woman. She looks at the warrant. She looks at the agents. And she says: 'Who the hell are you?'

"Don't worry about it, lady,' says one of the agents. 'Just read the warrant.'"

"I can't read it," says the lady, and she hands it over to her 78-year-old assistant. Another nice old lady.

"Well, the agents decide to take these two women to court for a criminal violation of the Patriot Act. You may wonder how these two librarians posed a threat to the republic, but that's what the FBI did. And so these two ladies were in front of the court in New Jersey when the judge turned to the FBI and said:

"If you pursue this case I will have to find your law unconstitutional."

"So, the FBI wisely withdrew their case."

*** And the final installment of our speech in Las Vegas...on why you can't engineer a genuine recovery...and why GDP is just a number...and why China will blow up...

The problem with trying to engineer a 'recovery' is the same problem with all central planning - it substitutes the honest signals from the marketplace with imposters. For example, instead of getting the message that they need to conduct their business in a different way, the banks get the idea that the feds will always bail them out...and automakers - thanks to the Cash for Clunkers program - may get the idea that there is more demand than there really is...and everyone could get the idea that the economy is healthier than it really is, thanks to the feds $1.5 trillion deficits.

The authorities are trying to force the economy back into the shape it was in before the crash. They're preventing it from taking a new, better shape....and preventing the correction from doing its work. A correction is supposed to cleanse out the mistakes from the 50-year credit expansion. But it's hard to do so when you don't know what is really going on.

Markets - when they are allowed to do their work - are always in the process of discovering what assets are worth. They were doing a good job of it in the fall of 2008. They were discovering that the US had too many houses, and too many shopping malls, (the US has 10 times as much retail space per person as France...) We also had too many derivatives backed by real estate, and too many private equity deals based on too many optimistic assumptions about the future.

[Anyway you look at it, we have, as Paul Volcker puts it, a "long period of economic adjustment" ahead of us. The feds are just getting in the way...and making it even longer.]

The market was in the process of discovering what assets were worth when the feds stepped in. They stopped the process of discovery. Instead, they forced the market into a process of Price Hiding.

Probably the most dramatic example of price hiding has been in the financial sector itself. There, the feds took away the risks of bad debt from the bankers and put it on the general public. The Fed bought the toxic loans, transferring hundreds of billions of losses from the banks' balance sheets onto the balance sheet of the Fed.

The Fed also lent the banks money at near zero percent...and then the federal government borrowed it back. The banks were able to make profits without doing any work or taking any risks. No wonder they didn't lend money to private businesses or consumers. It was too much trouble. And they didn't have to.

If you look at the latest figures from the Fed you will see that private credit is still falling. Commercial and industrial loans in March fell 16%. Asset backed commercial paper fell 20%. This correction, by the way, marks the first major reversal of commercial and consumer credit since WWII.

And now the Treasury has the gall to tell the public that it made money from its 'investments' in the banking sector. If so, those were the most expensive profits in the history of finance. They cost the nation about $4 trillion in fiscal stimulus deficits - added to the national debt. And another $1.8 trillion worth of dodgy debt on the FED balance sheet. And about $6 trillion more worth of financial guarantees of various sorts.

If the SEC wants to redeem itself, it should forget about the small fry. It should get off Fabulous Fab's case and go after the real frauds in this case...Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner.

That won't happen. But everything regresses to the mean. That's the work of a correction - to bring things back to normal, back in balance. First, the private sector is corrected. And then, the public sector.

When something is out of balance on one end, you can be sure it's out of balance on the other side too. Americans consumed too much during the Bubble Epoch. Now, they need to save and produce more. But who was on the other side of this trade...?

Let's begin by going back to the 1920s. Back then, the USA was the industrial powerhouse of the world and its number one exporter. In those boom years, America had the largest trade SURPLUS on the planet. At the time, trade balances were settled in gold. So, the US built up the world's largest reserves - in gold. It still has them.

But that pile of gold didn't keep the US from financial trouble. The stock market crashed in '29 and the following two years cut the US GDP in half.
It took the stock market 27 years to recover.

In the 1980s, Japan had the biggest trade surplus in the world. You remember Japan, Inc? It was such an export success story that people worried that the Japanese would take over the world. But in 1989, Japan, Inc. peaked out. Its stocks have been going down ever since - 20 years already.

Now, it's China's turn. China has the world's largest trade surplus and its largest pile of reserves. (Unfortunately for China, after 1971, treasuries switched to using paper dollars for reserves. So China has one enormous pile of paper...not gold.)

Thomas Friedman wrote that he wouldn't bet against a country with more than $2 trillion in reserves. But does this pile of paper money guarantee that China cannot fail? To the contrary, history tells us that China is most likely to fail - spectacularly - even though, over the longer run, like the US after the '30s, China may turn out to be a great success story.

Everything regresses to the mean. Everything tends to go back to normal.

Corrections are normal. They help things get back in balance.

Now, here's the interesting thing. While Japan's government tried to prevent it, the Japanese private sector de-leveraged. Over a long period of adjustment -- 20 years - the household, business and financial debt went down by about 40%, in GDP terms.

And now, in the US, even though the government tries to hide prices and delay the correction, the private economy is still de-leveraging. The latest figures suggest that households took a little pause in the first quarter of this year. Savings actually went down as consumption went up. But if we continue to follow the Japanese example the de-leveraging should resume soon.

We know from the Japanese history too - if we had any doubt about it -- that price hiding doesn't work. First, they tried fiscal stimulus. That didn't do anything. The banks took the monetary stimulus and held onto it, just as US banks are doing now.

Then, they tried fiscal stimulus. Now, this deserves a little discussion. Because Richard Koo among others argues that the fiscal stimulus did work in Japan. He points out that Japanese GDP did not drop significantly - thanks to massive doses of fiscal stimulus. And now, Paul Krugman and others are saying that fiscal stimulus has worked in the US too...because our GDP only went down less than 3% in what they call the Great Recession.

Here is where we see the claptrap theories at work. Fab Finance turned the economic profession from historians and philosophers into mathematicians and engineers. Dozens of these fellows won Nobel Prizes for elaborate mathematical proof of what were essentially bogus or inconsequential ideas.

And now they turn to GDP as proof that fiscal stimulus works, without bothering to think about what is really going on. GDP measures economic activity. Like everything else in modern finance, it is sensitive to quantity and completely ignorant about quality. To borrow from Oscar Wilde, it knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Yet, here again, as the Soviet Union showed us, you can summon up all the GDP you want. Just divide the country at the Mississippi. Get half the population to dig a big hole in Tennessee...and get the other half of the population to fill it up. Imagine the trucks...the fuel...the machinery...the labor...the housing you'd need... GDP would go up. You'd have full employment. Modern economists would be content with themselves. They'd sit by the phone, waiting for the Nobel committee to call.

But what would you really have?

You'd have Japan! That's what the Japanese did. Well, not quite like that... They put people to work building roads and bridges...pouring concrete on a massive scale. Until then, Japan had the healthiest government finances in the world. Now, it has more government debt/GDP than any other nation - approaching 200%..

And think about what really happened. Japan's population is getting older. These are people who lent the government money so that it would be safe. They wanted to be sure they'd have the money they needed when they retired.

But where is that money? It has literally been poured into a hole in the ground. The savings of an entire generation have been turned into bridge abutments and canals - most of them unnecessary and many of them unwanted.

That is what is happening in the US too. Except we don't have enough savings to finance our own holes in the ground. We're more like Greece.

And like Greece, we will pay a high price when the final correction comes.

Bill Bonner is the President & Founder of Agora Inc, an international publisher of financial and special interest books and newsletters.

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9 Responses to "Here's why stocks will move down"


May 17, 2010

I hate the fact that media dictates the terms of our thinking. World would be a better place without these self-declared pundits. Equitymaster has some radical and impractical views and nothing will work in real world. They have to go to Utopia. I request all the article writers here to stay grounded and give your opinions with level head and with knowledge of the real word. What is the point of talking about something that is not implementable? Why waste your and more importantly, our time?



May 16, 2010

I used to respect equitymaster. By associating with eternally pesimistic people like Bill Bonner and their Daily Reckoning newsletter and subscribing to their views which are too negative and also pertaining just to US, equitymaster is fast becoming worthless.



May 16, 2010

I am tired of articles about how governments are pumping money into the economy and how their printing presses are running nonstop. Give it a break. It is old news. We all know this is happening. If you are so smart give a better way out of this mess? The truth is this is the only option available with general public not loosening the purse strings. The government has to step up otherwise the consequences will be dire. That's what they have done. Government spendings have gone up so have the deficits. Inevitably part of the government debt has been monetized which has increased money supply. Increase in money supply per se is not bad. Monetizing the debt is a better option than borrowing from the markets and defaulting. Monetizing is just another way of devaluation to prop up the economy. If all the money printed are put to productive uses, it is good for the economy. Yes, there will be short term inflation. But money is put to productive uses ultimately it will increase the production in the economy. That will stabilize prices. Governments have to ensure credit is extended to productive and core sectors. I think governments are doing the best they can to fill the void. In economics, it is easy to criticise. It is a bit like cricket where everybody is an expert and has an opinion. I would stop repeating the same thing like a parrot and focus the discussion on more constructive things.
I agree with @Naushad. If there was no media, there would be no booms and busts and no greed or fear. Ignorance is bliss.


Pranav Kapadia

May 10, 2010

I think the article is realistic. While one may choose not to base investment decisions based on this, the amount of liquidity pumped into the world economy by central banks will only defer the inevitable. We are going through a period of structural changes with power moving out to ASIA and these are desperate attempts by western countries to keep themselves relevant. My two cents



May 9, 2010

Article is generic and against the spirit of value investment. Remember, it does not matter if Dow goes to 3000 or 300, but what is the intrinsic value of Dow (Weighted sum of intrinsic values of Dow components).



May 8, 2010

Why Equity master need to reproduce this article instead of writing on its own, that too without mentioning the sources clearly.

We always welcome the Equitymaster s research on its own.


Ajit Singh Yadav

May 7, 2010

Dear freinds it is only extrem pessimism which tells us that we are at inflection point.
Let the people talk of bloodshed on the markets and that is the time to pick your golden nuggets.
Waiting for that climax


Ramana Kumar

May 6, 2010

I wonder who wrote the above article ? The by-line says Baltimore, Maryland. Equitymaster should be careful abt blindly re-producing articles written for a different audience. Just because Warren Buffet is an American does not make all American investors and commentators great. How abt producing more articles written by Indians, abt Indian economy and Indian problems ? That may be more useful to Indian investors.



May 5, 2010

Pessimism is incurable disease - It consumes itself

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