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Can Infosys and TCS become Buffett's babies?

Nov 15, 2011

A lot of tributes have come Warren Buffett's way, arguably the world's best investor ever. But the best one we believe will be reserved by Charlie Munger, the business partner of Buffett and a very intelligent man himself. Munger observed that the reason that Buffett is so successful is because he is a lifelong learning machine. What this means is that he has gotten enormously smarter over the years.

Yesterday, the world got a proof of what Munger was trying to say. Going against his own exemplary discipline of sticking within his circle of competence, Buffett said that he has shelled out a whopping US$ 10 bn for IBM, one of the world's largest IT (Information Technology) services firms. Not surprisingly, even the closest of his followers would have been left with their mouths wide open. A man who has made his distaste for anything technological or IT related extremely clear, had in a matter of few months become the largest investor in one of the world's biggest IT firms. Perhaps Munger's contention that Buffett is a lifelong learning machine has a lot to do with this bold investment of his. It is quite possible that he has finally managed to unravel the business fundamentals of an IT services company. Or in other words, his circle of competence has acquired an even greater diameter.

Of course, IBM is the creme de la creme in the field of IT services. But we believe that our very own desi firms a la Infosys and TCS (Tata Consultancy Services) have made a mark for themselves as well. And who knows, few years from now, may start giving the IBMs and the Accentures of the world, a run for their money.

Thus, the question that begs itself is, if Buffett is around for that long, will he contemplate buying into an Infosys or a TCS? Well, to give an answer to this question, these companies will have to go past a rigorous screening test that Buffett conducts for every potential equity related investment of his. And what exactly are the criteria for the test? For starters, he wants to know whether he understands the business models of investment candidate well enough. The IBM investment shows that he finally has some idea about the nitty-gritty of an IT services company. And Infosys and TCS may well be a little lower in the IT services value chain than IBM but they do have a business model that is pretty similar to the US giant.

Mind you, these companies are not the Apples and the Microsofts of the world that come out with disruptive technologies and whose growth depends on innovating new products. But when we say 'technology' with respect to Indian software companies or say IBM, we are largely looking at an opportunity, which has not much to do with innovation. Furthermore, cost cutting is an extra element that gets added in case of say TCS or Infosys as they are also a play on low cost offshoring. The core principle that drives offshoring to India is the low cost and high quality of services that our companies can provide. If we believe in the fact that the western world will try to become more productive and profitable in the future, in good times or bad, through offshoring more of its services to countries like India, we have the 'business predictability' issue that Buffett lays so strong an emphasis on, resolved.

Thus, having acquitted themselves quite well on the business predictability parameter, the second criterion that Buffett looks at is the sustainable competitive advantage. And how do Infosys and TCS present themselves on this front? Not bad we should say. Take the case of Infosys for example.

Infosys has been consistently generating returns on equity of over 25% in the past 8 years. Over the past 5 years, the company has posted returns of over 31% on an average. It is interesting to note that this good performance on return on equity is not at all supported by any leverage. The company can boast of a rock solid strong balance sheet consisting of huge amounts of cash and no debt at all. This shows that the business of the company does have some sort of competitive advantage. While slightly different, we believe that the economics of TCS is also equally compelling if not better.

The third thing that Buffett considers very important is the quality of the management. Here too, the Indian IT behemoths do not disappoint. While TCS is a part of the legendary Tata Group, Infosys has set new standards of corporate governance over the past few years and had the charismatic NR Narayana Murthy at its helm for a good number of years and it would not be wrong to say his legacy has been fully preserved.

Having come this far, the Indian IT stocks we believe would trip up on the last criterion laid by Buffett and that is about valuations. Even though IBM has gone up a good 50% in the last on year, its P/E is still a pretty decent 14-15 times much lower than 22-23 times that Infosys and TCS command right now in the Indian market. Having said that, the growth prospects for the two Indian companies are certainly better than their US counterpart, also in part due to their much smaller size.

To conclude, we believe that not just IBM but our own TCS and Infosys lay a strong claim to become Buffett's babies i.e. one of his investments even though the Oracle of Omaha may never end up owning either as he seldom ventures out of the US. However, the investing legend's stamp of approval will certainly go a long way towards these companies coming on the radar of an even larger set of investors.

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5 Responses to "Can Infosys and TCS become Buffett's babies?"


Nov 24, 2011

Equitymaster uses warren buffett for marketing all the time. The entire website is full of Warren Buffett bla bla bla. But not even a single article calculates the fair market value of the company the way Warren Buffett does. Without such calculation we don't know what is the margin of safety and that is the salient feature of Warren Buffett's investment approach.


Donot want to share

Nov 18, 2011

This looks like a PR firm of warren buffet. Nothing else is there to read. All IT companies are not same so IBM and infy no comparison on like to like basis.



Nov 15, 2011

I totally agree with previous commenter "Abhishek". One more point is TCS & Infosys etc. do not have products as such. They are more kind of services firms. IBM makes lot of money on licenses etc.


Pradeep Kumar Nair

Nov 15, 2011

Just no way that Infosys and TCS can become Buffet's babies for exactly the reason you say that Infosys and TCS are not the Microsoft's and the Apples. Are we imagining that he is going to overlook the significant free cash flows "product" companies generate. Infy & TCS have been discussing "non-linearity" as an internal imperative and a goal in itself , their markets do not care a whit if Infy or TCS become non-linear and unless their appraoch is rooted in a market-driven approach and their mindset changes, they will continue to pat themselves in the back for mediocre success like Finacle or FNS. Surprisingly, even in your stockselect analysis of INFOSYS and TCS you have not questioned what is their strategy/approach to achieve non-linearity and when they expect to break from their current mould !! till then, buffet will continue to have better companies to invest in



Nov 15, 2011

I think the author has got it all wrong regarding Warren Buffett's investment criteria. Warren Buffett looks at 4 things. One whether the market the company is in continue to grow at a reasonable pace for a long term (both growth & certainty of growth are important), second whether the company has a sustainable competitive advantage in the market which will enable it to maintain or grow its market share. Third whether the business economics are such that the cash flows will remain stable in an event of downturn (companies that require high capex, can't increase price, have high & uncertain raw material cost, high working capital, high debt etc. are out). Fourth do the companies use the cash that they don't payout as dividend in generating reasonable returns (as opposed to simply piling up their cash or investing in unprofitable/unrelated ventures). People confuse his fourth criteria as Return on Equity. ROE is different from this fourth criteria since ROE can be high when a company has grown its cash flow with less equity in the past. It is not an accurate measurement of what is happening with the additional capital the company is generating now.

Also Buffett has bought IBM because IBM accounts most of world's large enterprises. No matter what products/services they buy, they buy it through IBM. This is its long term sustainable advantage. TCS/Infosys don't have an advantage like that. A Cognizant, HCL or a Chinese firm can replace them from their accounts in future. Secondly they don't have enough control over either the pricing to the customers or the salaries they pay to the engineers.

Infosys & TCS are not a bad investment by themselves, but they cannot be said to perfectly fit Buffett's criteria.

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